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• Siobhan • Episode 26

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Siobhan and Matt exchanged their experiences and perspectives on various topics, including the California DMV, Arizona gun laws, finding joy and meaning in life, and personal preferences. Matt shares his thoughts on ancient siege warfare and the validity of accounts of forgotten knowledge. Matt emphasized the value of learning and exploring new topics, with Siobhan highlighting the importance of cultural diversity and Matt underscoring the significance of memory and recall. Throughout the conversation, the speakers exchanged their unique viewpoints and experiences, showcasing their individuality and creativity.

Matt:

Well, I have a six channel, it's got four inputs, if you ever need to borrow, that looks like an instrument that I can't play.

Siobhan:

It is an instrument. I think you've said you can play that is a guitar.

Matt:

Yes. I'm very bad at guitar.

Siobhan:

Oh, well see there was one night when we were drinking and talking about you being on the podcast and about you writing the podcast jingler entrance music. And I was like, Oh, I have a guitar, but I don't think it's tuned and you were like, that should be one of our first things.

Matt:

You want to add to the guitar? Oh,

Siobhan:

I can't play guitar.

Matt:

Oh, well, then. I don't have to. And Romney so it wouldn't make sense. All right. I came unprepared. No, well, that's okay. Also mandolins fit better in this tight space. Yes. So I could literally sing you face to face. Jingle.

Siobhan:

I like it. And then this is the neon sign that I got the other day.

Unknown:

Fucking tight.

Siobhan:

For three inch, four inch letters. No, it didn't. It was not clear. I don't know if I looked into the small print either the one but the visual of the like one Julie guts.

Matt:

Big. Yeah. I'll have to ask Sadie where she got that?

Siobhan:

Yeah, like, well, on the Amazon thing. The picture of it is deceiving. The gate looks much bigger. But I don't know if I looked deep enough into the dimension. So it's kind of like a user error, operating error.

Matt:

It's like ordering a book and then not having the page count. And you don't realize it's only 10 pages. Like a pamphlet. Okay, that's not a book. Yeah. So I wonder the page count. Is page workout. word count. Yeah,

Siobhan:

I was gonna say it's page page counts. Most books do have a page count. Right? You can look that up. But not the word count. So

Matt:

why would you? Unless you're me, and one moment in time?

Siobhan:

I don't know. I feel like other people would maybe think about that. How many words are in this book. But I guess everything is always done by pages with a book. Words are just like essays, schoolwork,

Matt:

I would like to use it to sound more accomplished. Like I read 47,000 words today. Instead of saying I read 40 pages.

Siobhan:

Who you using this brag with?

Matt:

Whoever asked how much I've read lately.

Siobhan:

How many times

Matt:

that obviously wants to tell me how much they've read lately. So just gonna play a little game with them.

Siobhan:

I like I like the pre emptive like that planning. All right. So welcome, y'all today in the pod. I keep I haven't decided like what word to use, like, in in the weeds with me? Oh, yeah. Like, yeah. Because like, it's not a pod loft. And like that's other kind of pod. There's a couple of podcasts I listened to you. They talked about pod labs, where they they have most, most podcast start in someone's apartment, kind of like this. And then they like, you know, grow and move into real studios. So it's like I've heard people talk about their pod closets, a pod loft, which I'm assuming they have a locked in their house or apartment and they turn it into the morning. And that

Matt:

makes me think that they have a literal pod like a spaceship pod. Oh, that they're recording in?

Siobhan:

I like that idea.

Unknown:

I doubt they are.

Siobhan:

But it would be fun.

Matt:

But if I tell them where you are, it's irrelevant.

Siobhan:

Oh, I know. But like, welcome. Like today I'm welcoming Matt to the podcast, you know, like that kinda. Today in the house we have. To the table. Yeah. To the mics. That's what I mean. I just haven't found that like key phrase, you know, every openings kind of new and different. Because it also is like who I'm talking to is different every

Matt:

time. So I want you to write down 10 All right. And then use them all. I'll judge them. All right.

Siobhan:

That'll help you write your opening song. possibly go? Oh, yeah, possibly. Yeah. I always end with telling people to find their joy, because I'm bossy. And I want people to be happy.

Matt:

So you have an end phrase, I do find your joy. Yeah.

Siobhan:

And I think it's a good reminder to people that it just doesn't happen. Sometimes you have to go out and look for it. Or they've already found it. Then you're already up on the day.

Matt:

kind of insult. Dread look like I've not found my joy. Sometimes. I

Siobhan:

mean, like, find you already find a good you don't have to look for it. You're like, ah bitch, I already did that today. It's been going for a while but have you haven't you reminded like, and it can be, you know, in finding it is like, what it's, it's what you want it to be right? Like it's that cup of coffee. It's that all the green lights, it's sitting down to dinner with friends, you know what I mean? Like those just remote like find your joy, like recognize it, appreciate it. It's like a simple phrase that really can change your whole life sorry, no, I like when you contemplate

Matt:

what's the what's the last thing you remember? bringing you joy.

Siobhan:

Today, I had a cultural day at the college I work with. And there was, I don't know, eight students doing like a Bollywood dance. And they were all different cultures, like all different races, all different. They're all dressed in traditional garb. So like, you're just watching like a little un happen. And they're all laughing. I mean, like, like, you're watching all these kids that are from such different places, sitting or dancing in the basement of this college in Oakland. Like, just enjoying themselves and they were all so happy and laughing and the smiles were ginormous. And just to be there for that. That was like my moment of joy so far today. But I'm lucky I have lots of them. This is a moment of joy.

Matt:

I probably have moments of joy. Like a lot of them. This is more of a joy. Yeah, like

Siobhan:

getting to sit down with you because we've talked about it a bunch. Like I enjoy talking to you so much. Because you teach me shit all the time.

Matt:

Are you getting my expectations up? No.

Siobhan:

No, you really do because your memory is like something I have not like you just remember things and like I always think today some things right but way more than I do. Like I just don't have a memory for recalled like, like you read a book and remember it for a long time. Yeah, yeah. And you have like

Matt:

this vast nonfiction, it's easier to remember for some reason, is it? Yeah.

Siobhan:

Yeah. And but you have like this vast also diverse interests that you go way deep on like, I'm, I have like a lot of interests, but only go deep on a few of them. Like I can surface kind of bullshit my way through most things. But I have like in depth knowledge of only a few things. Like you have a knowledge that like spans so many different topics, and centuries, and

Matt:

but it's usually on the surface. There's no yeah, there are a few things that I dig a little deeper on.

Siobhan:

Like you get interested into a subject. And you just naturally research it. It's like you like to do homework all the time.

Matt:

Yeah. Ancient ancient siege warfare. Free fun. Like

Siobhan:

we had a conversation about me starting to plan these trips for Vanya, and travel and communal bathing. And the next time I saw you, you were like, well with the guys, yeah. Well, you're like, Oh, well, you know, I'm gonna try to do. I'm gonna try to be like, oh, yeah, you know, like, but even before that, you're like, oh, have you seen this place in Italy? And you've you've seen this like, and I'm like, No, I haven't. I have. I'm focusing on where I'm going right now. And then I'm, like, making a list of all the other places I have to look into. But you already had like delved into through almost all of it.

Matt:

A little about baths. Yeah,

Siobhan:

and but it's like your passion makes

Matt:

me sound kind of weird, actually. Because I don't take baths in any sense. ancient or modern.

Siobhan:

Strictly shower guy. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't take oil. No. No oil scraping. No, no. I like didn't take baths for a long time. And now I'm in because I used to get bored in them if I like. I was like, Okay, now what do I do? Like I just sit here? That's it.

Matt:

I don't think I've taken a bath since I was a kid.

Siobhan:

Oh, when I moved out to California, I started taking them all the time because my first place I stayed in, they had two huge tubs. And I was like, My body hurts. And my cousin was like, Here, take this. Like infused bath salts, go take a bath. She's like you'll feel and I felt amazing. And then I got obsessed with them. And then I've just found like better and better products to be with. And then I do communal bathing. Which is great too. So like, now I'm always in a tub or water. And I love it. But I'll bring I still, like get worried about being bored in it. Like my phone is in the bathroom. Sometimes I set my laptop up. So

Matt:

the bath itself doesn't quite bring you enough joy. No,

Siobhan:

but I also have ADHD. So I need like six different things to pay attention to in order to become.

Matt:

Isn't that the point though? What to try and only think about one thing. You can't think about nothing. That's just impossible. Yeah. And I guess there's a couple things you're thinking about. We can take a bath. Yeah,

Siobhan:

like, yeah, and there's times that I don't drown. Yep.

Matt:

Don't pee because you're sitting. Yeah,

Siobhan:

that would be gross. Yeah. Don't gamble on a fart.

Unknown:

No, no. Be very, very lucky. But yeah, yeah. But

Siobhan:

I mean, like I like to have sometimes I'll set my laptop up and watch a TV show. I mean, on occasion, I just have music playing and I'm like, probably smoking a bowl and having some tea or something. But, like, a lot of times, I need the other distractions and you don't like you don't need a lot of changes. Well, yeah, but even in life, like, my bath is kind of a metaphor for the way I live my life. I always have like, multiple things going on. Where you can like focus on things, which is I don't know it's

Matt:

something I do have a lot of distractions. I almost thought about buying a liar today. I don't need a liar.

Siobhan:

Is this a person? Oh,

Matt:

instrument.

Siobhan:

How many instruments do you play with right now? I'm saying play with because I

Matt:

didn't know what we're doing. No.

Siobhan:

Not in this moment. You

Matt:

just the mandolin? Basically. Little bit of Banjo. Banjo.

Siobhan:

How many instruments do you own? Too many? Yeah, see, that was a better way to phrase that mandolins

Matt:

couple mandolins. I'd want to spot a new one. It's actually my favorite. But I'm gonna give one to mark. So for five mandolins

Siobhan:

banjo, two banjos,

Matt:

five string and four string? Oak bass, cello, some guitars and a goose Allah?

Siobhan:

What's a Lucilla?

Matt:

It's a one stringed bulk Balkan instrument. I think it's actually the national instrument of Serbia. Oh, but don't quote me on that.

Siobhan:

Okay. Do you want to go to a bulkhead night of music?

Matt:

That seems very specific. Is that a thing? Yes. Oh,

Siobhan:

I know the woman that puts it on because she is from Serbia. Really? Yes. She's married to a Russian from Siberia. So I always have to stop myself because I'm like, sounds too similar. What sounds too similar. Siberia and Serbia Serbia? I don't know why my brain always just

Matt:

Gotcha. Well, yeah, then she would possibly know. I think most most cultures in that area. Eventually they started using two stringed instruments. I got into some Mongolian folk music. It's awesome. throat singing and Joe harping. Oh, I have to Joe harp. That's an instrument. Oh, yeah. I

Siobhan:

wanted to see what that is. Because I can't

Matt:

again, I could have had one. I know next time.

Siobhan:

This won't be your only appearance. No,

Matt:

but I'm actually going to bring the Google out tonight for the first time because I think I've got it tuned. Nice, but it's not gonna stay in tune very long.

Siobhan:

One string is really hard to keep in tune or.

Matt:

Yeah. Yeah, because it's horsehair. So it's basically it's it's not a very pleasant sounding instrument. If you if you search it, and you know, maybe even Wikipedia, I think it says in not so many words. It's an acquired chased sound. It's been called screechie.

Siobhan:

Oh, interesting adjective for Yeah, instrument. But

Matt:

apparently they use them to accompany epic poetry. So it's the I'm sure I can fit it in somewhere. Yep. I'll let you know how it goes.

Siobhan:

I will. Yeah, I want to know,

Matt:

well, maybe it'll definitely be featured on Webster street tapes.

Siobhan:

I was just gonna say well, definitely. be able to hear at some point. Yeah. Webster street tapes is your new kind of, it's just being birthed. I mean, the idea has been around for a while and you've been collecting some audio for a while. Yeah,

Matt:

I got some good stuff. Hope to get bored. But yet drew Drew and I kind of came up with it. I realized there's a lot of musicians on Webster street. They always just kind of hang out and play on Webster Street.

Siobhan:

Well, I think there was a couple guys who kind of started that. Is that you and drew? Oh, yeah. Like often, open mic would hang out. Mark. Mark. Mark

Matt:

is very much a person who influenced the Let's just hang out and play music outside. Yeah. Wednesday's tonight should be actually pretty good. Because it might be our first and only practice for Saturday. Oh,

Siobhan:

what do you what tennis show do you have on Saturdays for 20? Show a fireside? Oh, that's right. Oh, with Jethro right through on his man. And I just did an episode that we're gonna that will come out before this one. With him. No, it was just an AI talking about her life and, and that's where we got some of the things that we've been trying to rope you into. And honest dad just passed away. So no, no, so sad. She's back in the Dr. Taking care of that. And we sent her and all her family love. Her dad sounds like an he was an incredible guy. Yeah. I mean, she's dope. So he has to be I mean, it has to be but it helps. So I didn't know that Anna was not actually from the Dr. Like she didn't grow up there. I thought she grew up there and then moved here. But she grew up in South Dakota. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't.

Matt:

For some reason I was thinking democratic republic. Oh. And waiting for the

Siobhan:

not the Dominican Republic. Yes. Okay. Yeah, no, no, she was I thought she was born there.

Matt:

Right? No, she was born in South Dakota. Yes. I knew she grew up

Siobhan:

there. Yeah. I thought she grew up in it because she every time. So as long as I've known her when she goes home to see her parents, they're in the Dominican Republic. So I just automatically thought that's where she grew up. And then when we were here talking about it, I learned so much.

Matt:

I think when I met her, I think I said you might be the only person I know from South Dakota. And she said, you know, everyone says that. I didn't mean to be original. I was just stating a fact.

Siobhan:

Yeah, when people always state the same thing to you when they meet you. I think it just gets old. Having fun

Matt:

facts. You don't do that, that people say nothing

Siobhan:

about like being a Georgia peach or anything.

Matt:

No people meet people from Georgia all the time. That's true.

Siobhan:

You grew up in Georgia. And then when did you move out to California?

Matt:

In 2015? What

Siobhan:

made you come out here? A job? You do a really interesting job. I think it's interesting. The

Matt:

one I do now. Yeah, it is. Three jobs later. Yeah,

Siobhan:

but because you I actually I mean, I know what you do. But like I for the longest time knew you ordered like equipment. Okay, Linda? You know, okay,

Matt:

good. Continue? Well,

Siobhan:

well, I knew that you like order you like kind of the inventory guy. And it's not a good way to explain it that way. Why don't you tell us what you do?

Matt:

I do supply chain. Yeah. Okay. I find things and I buy things. Yes. But what

Siobhan:

can you tell us? Do you have to get permission to talk about your job? I should have asked you that before we sat down. I mean, that's really why we're here to like to talk about more like, I

Matt:

don't think so. I mean, I don't, to my knowledge, I don't know of anything that's top secret, but it's Kairos power, right. It's an engineering company that is developing a small modular reactor.

Siobhan:

So like, you deal with hazard, like you buy hazardous materials sometimes, right? No, no.

Matt:

So the headquarters here, it's a lab. r&d lab. Okay, so it's tests. It's mostly just raw material to build fancy test stands and yeah.

Siobhan:

But like, it's a nuclear company, right. Like nuclear energy. Yes. Yeah.

Matt:

That's the end goal.

Siobhan:

Yeah. Oh, that's okay. So I guess I don't know that much about Karis power to. Yeah, so

Matt:

we're planning on building a test reactor in Tennessee called Hermes. That's known about Yeah,

Siobhan:

well, you can edit this to to get anything.

Matt:

Or I can just ask Ashley. And we can pretend that next time what I can say and can't say yeah, it's not that super secret what I do. It's a lot of sciency stuff. It's a lot of it's a lot of material science. You know, a lot of scale testing of, you know, I don't want to say simple physics and thermodynamics, but you know, it's a

Siobhan:

simple for you guys. For

Matt:

them. Yeah, not me. No. There's a lot of shit going on. Yeah.

Siobhan:

And like, you get to buy all their shit, which is kind of fun.

Unknown:

Not all their shit. Well,

Matt:

the boring shit goes to someone else to buy. I get that I get to enter. I get to buy stuff that's complex and requires conversations with suppliers.

Siobhan:

Yeah, your job just seems very interesting. I know. It probably doesn't to you. But to me, it does. Yeah.

Matt:

Yeah, it's not really useful.

Siobhan:

And impresses us.

Matt:

I mean, it's, it's, I just learned fun tidbits. But I have to trudge through some tedious stuff. It's fun, though.

Siobhan:

Yeah, it's that. And if you can enjoy what you do, it makes everything else better.

Matt:

I just learned that for a little while. The Macedonians had bullet arrows that they used to shoot. It's like a slingshot, but it was an arrow. And they basically used it like a, like a slingshot version of crossbow. Oh, wow. Yeah. It didn't last very long. And no one quite knows what exactly it looked like or was used. But there's a bunch of nerds that have gone out into fields and tried to figure it out.

Siobhan:

I was listening today to Joe Rogan. And he had Graham Hancock and Clints. I'm not gonna remember that other guy's name. Fucking Atlantis. Yes. They were talking about Atlantis while they were talking. Yeah, because they were talking about Graham Hancock. And I actually was like, I should have asked Matt to listen to this before we sat down.

Matt:

No, you don't want my opinion? Because very critical?

Siobhan:

Well, because they were talking about Graham Hancock is the guy on Netflix that had the ancient apocalypse. And he's like a big fan of the dryas Impact Theory. And I actually do want to know your thoughts on this? Because I know you've probably read a lot about it. I mean, compared to me, you read a lot about it.

Matt:

Let's clarify. I don't know what's the what's the theory? Well,

Siobhan:

Graham Hancock series like archaeologists came out and like have just been trashing him for his that show, which I have not watched yet. On my list.

Matt:

I've heard it's, yeah, people were saying that it should be treated as a fictional mockumentary or something,

Siobhan:

right? And so Graham Hancock's thing is, like, why, like if you archaeologist kind of as a whole, if you guys have only dig like a really small percentage. Why do you keep thinking like, nothing could be possible before what you know. Like, if like the Sahara, they've done, like, I don't know, 5% of that. And so he's like, what you're telling me though, so whole Sahara has nothing else to offer you because you dug up 5% of it. And he's like Graham Hancock's kind of thing is how you just dismissing when you don't really know. Or that's the point that I kind of took from it. And the other guy is saying, because we've covered more than that. And he's like, Well, how much more and the other guy is like quite a bit more but couldn't give any numbers. And he just was saying like, well, we've never seen anything like this one thing that you have Graham Hancock is like, okay, but if you haven't seen it, maybe could it exist? So

Matt:

here's, here's, here's my problem with that is, is that is I didn't study logic or sophistry or any of that stuff. Okay. But that's a pretty bullshit answer to say that. Just because it doesn't exist, doesn't mean it couldn't exist, right? Like, that's essentially his just, and that's called fiction.

Siobhan:

Right? Well, and Graham Hancock is saying, like, this is the stuff I found we need to do more because maybe all of this stuff really is older than we thought maybe there is more of this, which he's saying like there's a possibility. Here's like, he's like, and I think archaeologists should do more investigation. And the archaeologists are like we already know all we know So like, that's been stupid, I listened

Matt:

to a listen to one interview of Graham Hancock interviewing this guy who, you know, the guy was not I don't know if he was trying to push an agenda or but he was he was not good at asking him questions. And that's where, like the sophistry comes in. And, and the way it's presented. And they were talking about, you know, black guilt, but guilt, Becky templates.

Siobhan:

They were talking about that today, too. And

Matt:

the question was, okay, well, if, if these were built by ancient advanced civilization, why is there no physical evidence for any tools? Or the only, you know, the only tools they found were tools known from that era? Why? And his response was, you know, well, you know, maybe they realized that when they did it with their tools, their way, it didn't work out for them. So they were going to start fresh, and they were just going to use and so yeah, that is a that's a story. And you're just taking a lot of bits and pieces. And some see, I should have. I did look into this a little bit. The guy, the guy, that 19th century guy that wrote a lot of bogus stuff, that that is, I believe, one of his sources.

Siobhan:

Yeah, I haven't watched it, but it was just interesting to listen to them. And I haven't read about it. I mean, I've read different, like, little blurbs and like, mostly like, you know, Facebook or Instagram shit, but like nothing in depth. Yeah, it's on a list of things I want to learn about. It's

Matt:

it's like, since it's just an sensationalism. I mean, so it's, it's, but it's presented in a way that, that if you if you don't think that there's something crazy extraordinary going on, then you're not open minded, right? Or that you're conservative. And so people are like, No, I want to be liberal. So I'm going to, I'm going to, you know, listen to what this this story. And it's, it's like, me reading the story of ancient Rome. Like, it's, it's a story. I mean, it gives me fun facts that, you know, other, much more intelligent people, luckily, have done the research on and they give me nice little footnotes, or endnotes that I can you know, when something is said it can be qualified as well, this turned out to not be true. But it's not there's what good okay, if all that's true,

Siobhan:

so then what? Right? Well, yeah, it doesn't change any of us something

Matt:

to strive for, are we to look for to try to understand more?

Siobhan:

Well, I think people are trying to learn more about the past to understand maybe how we got here, where we're going, or what could happen to us like, but the thing, and you just said something, too, is like you said like it's an advanced civilization, like they have too many descriptors in it. Like, is the baseline that you're trying to figure out? Is were there humans before we thought that were humans? Like, instead of being like, Oh, they must have been an advanced civilization? Like, why are you putting that on it? Like, are you just trying to figure out if people existed and something happened? And then like, there weren't, or there must have been like, a smaller population of humans. And then, like, you know what I mean, like, we redid the Stone Age, because we got blasted to smithereens. Like, if you're trying to figure out that I get that, like, and I am interested in that, like, could that have happened? Did we already have like a, you know, 90% of the population was wiped out. And like, we're like the continuation. Yeah.

Matt:

And I mean, there are flood stories across cultures that it all takes place significantly, you know, before their times, right. So, but who knows what that looked mean. I think people have surmised what that looked like. But I mean, whether or not that wiped out everyone or did not wipe out everyone and a few survived, I think, do they? That's it's pre flood. They're, like pre flood civilizations, essentially. Right? Yeah.

Siobhan:

Well, some of this is like, even like Atlantis, right? Which

Matt:

it came from Plato, a dialogue of Plato, right. Well, they

Siobhan:

were saying like Atlantis is somehow related to being racist and white supremacist, and like it was trying to tell take things away. And there was some of it that I have to go and research because

Matt:

I heard they were sexist, too. They didn't like women.

Siobhan:

Shocking. You don't mean but that was like, what I like if it's Atlantis, like, Wouldn't it be? Not white people? Like, isn't that kind of you're like, that's not. But I also was never like whether Atlantis and maybe this is a point of privilege, like, how is like it's not like being like, Oh, well in Jerusalem, it was all white people back in warth century, like, you know, like we were, and

Matt:

then later on, it's referred to vary a few times and in history sort of historical sources. I think Theodore has mentioned that, but it also lost a great battle to some random tribe in Africa, right? And it's like, well, so if Atlantis was even a city or something, they weren't that good at fighting. They lost to these motherfuckers. So then, then, that's not worth praising them. And I think, I mean, come on it. If anybody's read enough, Plato, you realize that I mean, he's, he's literally putting stories in other people's characters mouths, right. So he's trying to not prove a point is trying to show a point. So if you take him literally at face value, I mean, his, his grandfather heard it from someone who heard it from someone. I mean, it's just the beginning of it the way he says, it sounds like, this is going to be a tall tale, right? Let's see if we can learn any moral lessons from it. And I don't know. And then it it kind of blew up. It's so strange. It's only this one little small part of the Timaeus I think it is. And yeah, what what people think of Atlantis now is from from that is amazing, right? This myth, the mythology behind it yet? It's a fairy tale to me, right?

Siobhan:

And then to like, attach, like, and then to attach like white supremacy to if it was, I don't like I said, I haven't done enough research. But just like the story of Atlantis to be like, Oh, that's from the Nazis. Like, what what? Like, that doesn't make sense to me. And

Matt:

they probably watched a History Channel documentary about the Nazis fascination with the occult. And someone probably said something about them looking for Atlantis. And then they're like, oh, yeah, they're looking for it.

Siobhan:

Okay. Yeah. But like, that doesn't immediately make me think like, oh, Atlantis must have been white people. Like that, I guess.

Matt:

Apparently, they weren't even. I mean, were they even human? Right?

Siobhan:

Well, then someone was like, you're trying to take away someone's culture, and give it credit to aliens? And I'm like, Wait, so you're now you're mad that they're stealing a culture you don't even know exist? No, there is no culture, the well, the Atlantean cult, the Unity Lantian culture. We don't even know if Atlantis exists. Exactly. Right. That's what they're saying. Like you're giving now you're giving away like this people's culture and traditions, and you're just chalking it up to it could be aliens. And I'm like, You're mad about hypotheticals, on top of hypotheticals. Yeah. Like, is that people just trying to be offended? Or am I like missing a whole other swath of something?

Matt:

No, again, I think I think the 19th century. I think a lot of people were getting back into the classics, reading the Greek classics. And someone found this story and ran with it was like, Alright, here's some He already came up with the idea. I'm just gonna run with it.

Siobhan:

Oh, my God, like in the 1980s video game based on it. It's like in the 90s when when the was at the Beach Boys that sang Kokomo and then everybody wanted to go to Kokomo and CoCo was not a real place. That makes sense. For people, I remember reading a story in the 90s about people being upset with their travel agents because they would not book them a trip to Kokomo and people were like it because it doesn't exist. It's in there like it's in a song. Or like, now, what condo people want to go to Wakanda and it's like, that's just in the Marvel Universe. Oh, that's sad, right? Like, oh,

Matt:

that's sad.

Siobhan:

Like, if it kinda existed, that would be amazing. And our world would be a very different place. But I've heard people saying like, I want to go there and like, oh,

Matt:

you know what I actually did look into that at some point. I think there is some what is what?

Siobhan:

It's supposed to be somewhere in Africa, but it's it's

Matt:

but isn't it sort of a Pangea like pre pre continental separation?

Siobhan:

I don't think so. Because it's like they go in there's like a forcefield that blocks anyone it's kind of like almost the same present premise as where Wonder Woman was originally from like where existed but you couldn't actually see it because

Unknown:

well what

Matt:

choose Amazon right? Yes. From where what was their Amazon

Siobhan:

Amazonian? I think like, I know, I think oh, I don't know these. See that's that's actually she had an island off of somewhere that was bombed during the World War Two, according to the movie. Oh shit, because that's

Matt:

true. Oh, so they're saying the Amazon slugs?

Siobhan:

Yeah, cuz she in a I think it's the first one she comes like she comes to America talking about the actual movie

Matt:

fictitious

Siobhan:

Yeah, see, I know things from movies you know things from you know, that

Matt:

the Amazon River. That's where it got its name from the story of the Amazon the ancient story to the Amazons. So apparently this one ship on this expedition can't tell you the year they they got lost there. They they basically ended up sailing the entire Amazon River out to the Atlantic Ocean. Okay. Most of them died. But they ended up calling it the Amazon River because at some point, the story goes I think it was a cook or a doctor this someone's account said that there were large female warriors, shooting arrows at them. Oh, wow. And so they're like, Oh, those are Amazon's and so and this these are Spanish. Like pre con keys that are probably and so that's why it got its name. Oh, wow. I think I'm pretty sure

Siobhan:

I like that story. Named

Matt:

I just I mean, when you look at the Amazon ads it's kind of amazing that these people actually survived and made it because down the entire river it's fucking long. Oh, that's what you need in here. I

Siobhan:

need a map. I was just thinking the same thing. Well, I keep thinking about moving a TV here and hooking it up so my computer so like we could do like little when we have to look something up. And then yeah, the students still coming together. Yeah, you like my walls that are made possible by you. Oh, this was your PVC. Oh, this one's this pipe. Oh, on the wall. But behind you. Yeah, me. All right. That's the PVC pipe setup. You gave me a fun little tool. Yeah.

Matt:

I'd like to zoom around.

Siobhan:

Yeah, well, eventually, because you know, when I get popular Hair flip, I take it on tour. I want to be able to bring the whole vibe with me.

Matt:

How's this on soundproofing? Oh, it's

Siobhan:

terrible. Oh, it's not soundproof at all. Okay, it's just a living. Well, it's a plastic wall.

Matt:

So if I'm bringing an instrument I should bring some acoustic pianos. Yeah, I

Siobhan:

figured eventually I'll put some soundproofing behind them. Like add some of that. Luckily my neighbors are really quite

Matt:

odd. Pretty little pod. That is soundproof well that's

Siobhan:

kind of what I'm building when we get because I figure I can. What we're talking about y'all it's my pod walls. I use some PVC piping and some fabric and string really and so it all together made little walls for my apartment that are collapsible and light to ship. My my purple haze weed wall

Matt:

that she got to learn how to use a PVC pipe

Siobhan:

cutter I did, which was amazing that you gave it to me and they're so quiet. I did this at like 1130 at night and I live in an apartment. It's quiet. Yeah, and luckily my neighbors are pretty quiet. The only time I can't record is when the landscapers

Matt:

are here. Do you have do you hear people upstairs?

Siobhan:

Oh yeah. For the longest time, because someone told me it's because my ADHD I always either have like my TV on or music on. Like my apartment is almost never quiet. I sleep with a sound machine so like when I'm getting ready for bed. They turn that on so there's like the sound of rain always in my house. And someone told me that's because of ADHD but because of that I don't my apartment is ever really quiet so I never noticed how it's in my walls where Oh yeah. And then I've been trying to learn to meditate and quiet now and stuff. I've heard like my neighbor upstairs sneeze and I'm like, Oh,

Matt:

can I can I learn to play my accord In here, sorry, not it's not it's very loud. I forgot that that's another instrument. I bought an accordion from a guy off the street.

Siobhan:

How long have you had the accordion?

Matt:

Two months. But it's it's a 120 base. So it's got a shit ton of buttons. And I can't really play the piano keyboard part. And it's super loud. So I need to just go to the park and noise everyone because it's, I'm not just gonna it's not going to be good at it.

Siobhan:

And it's an accordion even when you aren't good at it. Is it enjoyable?

Matt:

Hell, yeah. Well, just kidding. Just for just for a little accompaniment. Yes.

Siobhan:

There's a do that goes to the beach and drums a lot. Because when I if I kind of annoying though, if I can get into my afternoon walk just drums. Yeah, it's kind of some kind of Bongo or something. I don't know. But it's enjoyable. And I can hear it for like, at least probably a good quarter of a mile to keep time. Yeah, it's it's good drumming too. That's why it's enjoyable. Where's this? He sits at Crown Cove. He sits at right at the end of like where that little Whoopty whoop is he sits there at the bench. So he's playing kind of out towards the water. So when I'm coming down this way from crab to crab Cove, I can hear it for like, I mean, I can probably hear it for a half mile roundtrip like wow, it's like a good quarter of a mile. I'm on my way. Probably a good quarter of a mile when I can start to hear it. And I usually have one earphone in. Okay, let me give you another Sure.

Matt:

I just realized if you change the T in reality to a D It would still say reality but it would also say real idea. Oh wow

Siobhan:

that's pretty cool. Oh yeah, well maybe that'll be our shoe podcast

Matt:

or get a t shirt. That looks kind of like a D or a D that could also pass as a tea. Do

Siobhan:

you like a tea cup? They're like a half a tea cup.

Matt:

Sideways te comm B A D? O can have fun with that BT cup though.

Siobhan:

Do a tea pot to just would have a dangling D

Matt:

That's what you call

Unknown:

tingling.

Siobhan:

Stevie calls Donna. Oh no, that's ding dong.

Matt:

Tingling that's that Chuck Berry song. Oh my dingling Yeah. Not one that gets covered very often.

Siobhan:

I think that should be your next open mics on Oh, no. Come on. You could update it. No,

Matt:

it's not worth updating. Yeah, not one of my favorites.

Siobhan:

Has music always been your passion? Or did that develop later? Because I know you have a lot of different hobbies and talents but

Matt:

I don't know if I'd call it I think it's probably as close to a passion as I have I've always known I mean, I haven't I didn't really get into music until I was 15 for 14 Well, I knew music because the drive to church was fucking like 45 minutes 3545 minutes and so you know we listen to a lot of Jesus radio like Christian pop rock bullshit. But there was W BBQ that had the oldies. So I think those some of those stuck with me. But I didn't really, you know, get into it. Then my brother had some Marilyn Manson and some tool CDs. I listened to those and I was like, Mom confiscated them. Oh, because you know, it's obviously from the devil. And so, but one thing that I did have with the Black Sabbath tape, okay, and on one side for some reason, I don't know if one side had paranoid and one side had Heaven and Hell. Which I don't know if you can put a whole album on one side of a tape.

Unknown:

I think you know, so maybe it was two tapes. Anyways.

Matt:

I picked pair annoyed and listened to it, and I was like, this is really fucking cool. And that's how I found Led Zeppelin. And then the the first album LP I ever bought was Jethro Tull aqualung. And then I just listened to music. I played bass guitar when I was fifth 14th or 15th. I worked at the JCC day camp as a counselor, which I was with seven and eight year olds. But the oldest group of kids, there was 12, I think I was 14, my first year was 15. And they paid you fucking peanuts, but it was enough to get an open as bass guitar. And I just, I don't know, if ultimate guitar was around, then they had tabs online. And so I just, you know, learned bass tabs from the songs I liked on the radio. And then I took lessons from the guy church, because my dad played guitar and sort of the praise band, the you know, the more casual service praise band at church.

Siobhan:

You didn't grew up Catholic though. You grew up at a Baptist. Yeah. And Southern Baptist in Georgia,

Matt:

their music? Looking back on it. It's kind of shit. I mean, I don't know if everybody if just people couldn't sing. But the shit we sang didn't really have any soul to it. Gusto pretty bland and boring.

Siobhan:

Was it a big church?

Matt:

I mean, it was it was very small when it started. And like, my parents started going there when I was a baby. And it got not megachurch size, but it was I couldn't tell how many people I had, right? decently big. But then so the I took formal lessons for the base and you know, go through a couple on it's very, you know, very mundane, boring. Starting from the basics of, there's like a whole that here's, you know, this is E this is a, like I noticed and so I like three lessons in I think I learned a song. And he's like, Oh, right on. And so I played a forum. And it was it might have been at the end of the lesson, actually. And it was Black Sabbath. What song was it? It was I think it was the paranoid intro doo doo doo. And here's a go. And he didn't really comment on it. But then apparently, he got fired as a student. Or he retired apparently when he told my mom

Siobhan:

Oh, couldn't teach the devil child.

Matt:

I guess not. I don't know. I was just trying to show him that you can advance this a little bit and approach this from a I don't know. Better Way. And then I learned as the years went by, I learned, you know, few cowboy chords on guitar. Nothing serious. Yeah, then I just really love listening to music from the time of 15 until today. And I just have this weird not knowledge. I can I can. Because it's huge music list library in my head. That's taking up a lot of room. I think overall, because

Siobhan:

you like non, what I would consider non traditional music like you've gotten into like the Oh, yeah. Like you go down these rabbit holes of genres. And

Matt:

it's Mongolian folk. Good.

Siobhan:

The throat singing your big fan throat singing

Matt:

is really cool. And actually, Mark has a bass harmonica, which is just a giant fucking harmonica that looks like a clown problem. But it's actually a bass harmonica. Oh, wow. And he was playing it and then I pulled one of my jaw harps out and started playing it and sounds fucking awesome. Thing is the jaw harp. I don't think it's really an a key. And it's weird. So it's

Siobhan:

a jar. HARP. Yeah, like a lot of I still haven't seen a lot of

Matt:

breathing very breathy. Yeah. Because that's how you kind of give it rhythm is like, like,

Siobhan:

Oh yeah, you gotta practice your Holotropic breathing for that.

Matt:

I don't know. I'm pretty good at it. I can last longer than mark on the harmonica. Have this weird Long ability. Like when we recover one song, there's a very versatile end, I hold the note, and I can hold it. And I keep holding it. And I keep holding it. And like if Tim singing with me, I just he stops eventually. And then I'll hold it for a little bit longer. And then I have

Siobhan:

you ever done like breath work or is it just something that

Matt:

I mean, I figure if breathing is involuntary doing it well. shouldn't be that difficult.

Siobhan:

You would think? Right, my breath holder so I don't breathe. Well. Well, I'll hold

Matt:

my breath since I was about six and I've been smoking since I was 16. Oh, so that's smart. No, it's not stupid.

Siobhan:

That's kind of a no if you remember me i I will

Matt:

I will be quitting soon though.

Siobhan:

We would like to keep you around for a while. And Lung Cancer sucks.

Matt:

Yeah, I'm gonna already have the patches and go back and finish the pack of cigarettes that I just bought because I forgot I was gonna quit that I'm gonna quit

Siobhan:

you should try getting hypnotized

Matt:

to I can't I'm not I don't think I'm susceptible. So here's the thing I think me questioning whether or not I'm susceptible to hypnotism means that I'm already not susceptible to hypnotism

Siobhan:

now I'm interested because I don't

Matt:

I guess a part of it is I don't want to be I don't trust people especially to have weird skills like that. Like if your buddy does it too sure. But you gotta get this creepy, like Washington, geriatrician to? hypnotize me then Whoa, you

Siobhan:

don't go to creepy washed up magician.

Matt:

Where do you get a hypnotize me from?

Siobhan:

They have them there. Some therapists have one. I don't know if they do. I'll have to ask me. That'd be good addition.

Matt:

I can grow a pencil mustache.

Siobhan:

Now into the creepy

Matt:

and a top.

Siobhan:

I don't have a cape. But you're going to the creepy magician.

Matt:

I can make I can make a spiral spinning board. Some therapists

Siobhan:

practice hypnotism so that's where you go to because they're professional now where I'm going to have to find a hypnotist at interview.

Matt:

Do you think that they would know someone was bucking with them? And was going to be

Siobhan:

shittier their job?

Matt:

Yeah, would not be Oh yeah.

Siobhan:

I've seen like comedy shows where they hypnotized like the crowd. You know what I mean? And I've seen like where they'll hypnotize people on stage. And I've seen some people do crazy things, but I also don't think I could get hypnotized because there's a part of me that's just like, this is complete bullshit. You're bullshit. But I know people that have gone to a hypnotist to stop smoking and it has worked. I'd

Matt:

say if you want to hypnotize me. If I was on mushrooms, I might be a little more susceptible to be hypnotized. Okay. That also might be dangerous for the hypnotized because it might turn on them. Because that should opens

Siobhan:

up portals that we still don't understand. Yeah.

Matt:

I mean, portals. I think it just

Siobhan:

pathways sorry, I should have said path processes. Yeah.

Unknown:

But

Matt:

like a mechanical you know, electrical network, obviously, you can overdo it.

Siobhan:

Oh, yeah, for sure. I just did a heroic dose. Like you're

Matt:

not like your body evolved to not have that many processes going on in your brain at once. Is it my opinion. So when you take LSD and mushrooms, it you're processing shit on a much faster level. And I think a lot of it's subconscious. But I think that's what people think that they're God because they're just processing things at 10x The normal and which, you know, for some is still less than others.

Siobhan:

That's very true. And for some It's unfathomable. i

Matt:

It's fun. I enjoy it. It's, it's, I respect psychedelics,

Siobhan:

I microdose a lot. And I'm, I tell people that I share mushrooms with people all the time. I've

Matt:

never consistently done I've taken small doses. But I'd say I did a lot of mushrooms in high school to do which probably fucked up my brain development, because I realized that I did almost all my drugs, the ones that didn't keep doing from 16 to 18.

Siobhan:

Wow, that's a short period, and it's really like develop mentally important period. I know. I did everything. Yeah. See, I didn't do drugs back then because I was so scared of them, right. Like, I had an uncle who overdosed when I was young, like he got into. He got into serious drugs. And I was there for it and saw a lot of it firsthand. I grew up with I mean, I'm Irish Catholic from Boston, like, I have 19. Goals. I have nine. No, I have 10 Uncles, and I would say seven of them have been in the program, or in different versions of it. Like I honestly didn't realize AAA wasn't part of Catholicism until I was like, Oh,

Matt:

shit. That's, that's, that's way different than So, Southern Baptists don't drink. They make a point of it. There's a joke that in the south, it's like, Why do Why do liquor stores have drive throughs because the Baptist, they don't want anybody to know that they're drinking. So drinking was not a thing, but I don't it was less religion at our house. I think it was because my mom's one of my mom's grandparents was an alcoholic. And so her father made sure to raise his family in an non alcoholic household. And I think something of similar, something similar happened on my father's line. So my father didn't grow up in a house that had an alcohol, therefore,

Siobhan:

you didn't grow.

Matt:

So but it only took 15 years for me to find I never really had a problem alcohol. But yeah, I enjoyed it all. Mushrooms. I mean, that was the funnest thing I used to do was fresh mushrooms, and then, you know, do the dumb shit. And intravenous shit. And then I graduate high school.

Siobhan:

I never graduated to intravenous stuff, and I'm really like, grateful for that. But I think also because I had that one uncle that had. Alright, so and when I say I've done uncles, those are my blood uncles. I have probably 20 Uncles, because then I have nine ons. So like, yeah, I have nine arts blood related. So then all of those that 19 All has significant others. Yeah. So like, basically, my uncles are almost 40 people. So like, when you have that many people you grew up with like, and you have my both my grandfather's were alcoholics and unhealthy people. And like, you know, they raised on a statistically

Matt:

insignificant, not a statistically insignificant quantity of people, right? Yeah. Your immediate family?

Siobhan:

Yeah. Like, well, people are like, you get people so well. And I'm like, Yeah, I didn't have a choice. I have almost I like, I think almost at first cousins. And until I was in my 20s. I saw all of them once or twice a week. It wasn't like we saw each other on holidays, like when we did. But we also had Sunday dinners we had, like Wednesday at Nana's house, like your parents are both working. So they just drop you off at one of the grandmother's house and let you run feral, you know, like? So

Matt:

this leads me to a fascinating question. Having an experience to why wide range of people? Do you think that there is a limited number of types of people? Do you think that you could somehow take personality tie certain features of a human and say that there's 12? Like the psychologists, you know, all the the they've tried to put things into the five behave? Yeah. Do you think that that humans could be like, even if you give them 12? See, I I see. I see. I think depending on the right criteria, it might be possible. I

Siobhan:

don't only because people are always also shifting and changing. Right. Like, yeah, so I you know, we've had when you have that many people you have, like so you have one tragic event, right? Like, and my family has been marked by a bunch of them. So like, there is, but there's like some really poignant facts I can look at right? Like the first time one of the siblings died, my dad has, my dad grew up with 12 siblings. So the first time one of them died, like I can remember how it happened, and then watching all of their reactions, and the way it changed their lives. You know what I mean? Like so there was people that I think I could have kept in granted I was a kid but now thinking about it and looking back at it. The same people that grew up in the same house with the same conditions all reacted in such vastly diff Aren't we, in the positive and negative, so like, you can't categorize someone because something happens and it shifts fundamentally who they are. But not even all of them. Sometimes it shifts just a small part. So the fact that we're always evolving and hopefully evolving, but we're always shifting and changing. And our perspectives always being slightly altered, that it causes different parts of your life and different parts of your personality to change and shift. So I don't think you can categorize people for more than maybe six months at a time. But if like something tragic happens, or something really like, you know, they positive, like they win the lottery like, but it doesn't even have like, they get a job that gets a huge raise, like those things shift a person so much in ways that we don't understand. But it also shifts like how they interact with the world in such a different way that I don't think you can categories people like, I mean, broadly, I think you can, but to get down to being like these 12 types of people, I don't think that works. Because like I like, I'm very, when I'm behind the bar, I'm a very different person than when I'm customer, right. Like, there's different parts of my personality that served me in that moment. But who I am fundamentally doesn't actually change. Yeah. So I don't know how you would measure

Matt:

that. Well, it also, it's more of an interactional thing. So when people interact with other people. They're oftentimes not presenting their, their true self at that time, right.

Siobhan:

Everyone's amassed at different times for different things. So let's see this.

Matt:

There are 12 masks. Okay, there we go. I'm gonna try and define the 12 masks of humanity.

Siobhan:

I like it. I mean, I want to hear what you come up with. Yeah, it's

Matt:

gonna take a while my list is long. I got books to write albums to make.

Siobhan:

You know, that's one of the things I really enjoy about you, because you have like these hobbies, but then you have these things that it's more than a hobby, like, Oh, it's just an idea. i Yeah, but you are the type of person that you will eventually execute it all.

Matt:

Yeah, I'm a procrastinator though. But I did give myself a date for the album, which is 525 25. Oh,

Siobhan:

and you just said it out loud. And now we have it on recording.

Unknown:

Oh, yeah.

Matt:

I mean, I've said Yes. Got it. Yeah,

Siobhan:

I get 525 25

Matt:

Yep. It's called Whiskey thief.

Siobhan:

I should just be getting home from another wild, amazing European tour. Right off

Unknown:

the bat tour. Yes,

Siobhan:

I'm excited.

Matt:

Well, I, when anything bath related comes up in my readings.

Unknown:

That, you know, oh,

Matt:

I started dabbling into east as far East Asia.

Siobhan:

I think I'm gonna go to Japan in October. To go on a bathing like, I have to do a lot of research on that. And a lot of it actually will not be my research. It's going to be I have two different people. I'm getting connected to to help plan it. Because I can't even imagine how to start. And then most of the answers are there. If you have tattoos, you can't get into them. So I'm gonna have to do and I'm gonna have to like do a couple of maybe like, you have tattoos. So you're coming to this one. You don't have tattoos. So you have the option of going to this one. And please come tell us how it was

Unknown:

come from.

Siobhan:

In Japan. It's because of the Kusa Yakuza

Matt:

I was gonna ask. That seems. So some, some American with a goldfish tattoo, a goldfish tattooed on her shoulder? Cannot they suspect could be Yakuza spy? Well,

Siobhan:

it's, yeah, they just wouldn't, I guess at the ice. So

Matt:

tattoos aren't a thing like they are here. It's only for criminals.

Siobhan:

I think traditionally, it had been only for criminals. And I think I heard I think I've heard Russia is the same except Russia hasn't.

Matt:

You have to have tattoos to go? Well, probably.

Siobhan:

They haven't implemented the same restriction. But I think in Russia, because in Russia, there's a saying that I've learned or at least from the Soviet Union, is there is no generals in the bathhouse. There's no generals in the banya. Everyone's because like the banya used to be the only place that bathroom. The banya is what they call a Russian bathhouse. Okay. They call it a bong Yeah,

Matt:

what was the what's the moral there? No general that

Siobhan:

a bath Oh, generals and a bath house. It means the bath house in Russia used to be the or in the former Soviet Union was the only place you didn't have to worry about someone. Like if you had a political conversation. You don't have to worry about it. Oh, and wired or anyone

Matt:

buy that for one minute?

Siobhan:

I don't either. But it's that's there. I

Matt:

want you to think, well, you know,

Siobhan:

I'm also talking to the Russians at he'll be lying to me about a number of things.

Matt:

I don't know. I'm just so these are people that that, ya know from

Siobhan:

Russia? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'm saying I learned it from Russians I know is they say back in the day at the UN, like when they lived there it was the former Soviet Union. And they say like, you know, in the banja, there is no generals. And it's kind of the same way they live. Now. It's like when you're in the Vanya, it's a community. It's more especially with the one I work with, like, it's for fun. It's for building community. It's for like enjoyment. And he was like, today we were talking about my trip to Istanbul and how that will be so different than the places I've been. And he was explaining to me with Dr. Brodsky, gentlemen, I'm speaking about he was telling me about how in back when he was in Russia, and how he wished he could like show it to me, and I could experience it. But he was saying that the bad news, they're very different because it's separated male and female. And like how you would go there for enjoyment and, you know, relief and fun. It's more than just bathing. In some of those bargains in Russia have the best food out of anywhere in Russia.

Matt:

Well, that's true. That's over to not a big fan of baths and also not a big fan of food. Convenience.

Siobhan:

Although I'm just learning this about you, is gonna say I haven't seen you eat, but I've made you food. Now I find it as an inconvenience.

Matt:

It's gotten to the point where there are too many options. It's just you know what, and I have to stop what I'm doing. I kind of had three albums by now. If I didn't have to eat.

Siobhan:

Well, you could just eat the same thing all day every day.

Matt:

I tried then then it gets to the point where you physically can't eat it anymore. I just Yeah, I mean, I tried one of those awhile ago. One of the it's a it's like a meal replacement. The one of those trendy

Siobhan:

like a shake thing. Yeah, Soylent. All I can think about is SlimFast Soylent

Matt:

is called Soylent.

Siobhan:

Just shut their pants.

Matt:

I drink some fast in high school. I did too. But you know Soylent Green the movie about? I don't. Yeah, that's where they they grind up people turn into the food. Yeah, it's all yeah, check it out. Put on your movie list. Soylent? Green. No, I've never

Siobhan:

heard of that movie.

Matt:

It's an old old

Siobhan:

old. Oh, I never did horror movies. Yeah. Ever. I thought Jaws is blue. No, actually. I saw the this is gonna date me. But you know, I'm proud of how old I am. I saw that commercial for Chucky. Okay, and got rid of all the adult dolls. I own just the commercial. Did you go into

Matt:

you slip into a Boston accent? I probably you caught yourself really? Well. You're like, oh, oh, yeah.

Siobhan:

And sometimes it slides out. Yeah, sometimes it slides out.

Matt:

I tried to tuck it back in. So you

Siobhan:

I saw a Chucky commercial and I got rid of it did I got I used to have like those masks a lot of dolls. I did. I had and I was the first girl on my mom's side for 10 years, I was the only granddaughter or niece and so they were wanting to be super wanted me to be super girly. I had. So I had porcelain dolls. I had like the masks on my walls like those ornate masks back from the 80s I had and then I just like a shit ton of stuffed animals. And I took them all out of my room. One of my uncle's dressed his kid as Chucky like I don't know for Halloween, like, I don't know, six months or a year later. And I was like, Yeah, I'm never babysitting that kid again. I always

Matt:

even as a kid. I always wondered that to me. There was one big pothole

Siobhan:

fucking Yeah, I didn't even make it to thinking about that.

Matt:

I don't care how fast it is.

Siobhan:

But it came to life. I was just like, Nah, yeah, but

Matt:

to be scared that it's gonna murder me. Well, you weren't

Siobhan:

a girl in the 80s everything was murdering us. I mean, you were a boy. Yeah. Like that's when the have you seen me milk carton started? Like they used to. You are younger than me. I forget that sometimes. But like, I remember when at 10 o'clock legit. The news would say it's 10pm. Do you know where your kids are? That was an actual warning that they had to put on TVs to remind parents to check on where their kids were. Like, nobody gave a shit about us. And like, there was that's when like, I mean, I live seven days.

Matt:

I had like my bedtime was eight o'clock. So I remember as a kid having to go to bed when the sun was still off. Oh, yeah, I do too. When the time change Yeah. And there's kids, I'm not gonna corner so there was kids playing around. I was like, Mom gotta be

Unknown:

like, what?

Siobhan:

My mom was like strict in a way, but not in. Are you saying? I mean a little bit when I got older but like as a kid like I was nine when I started babies. I was like nine and a half when I started babysitting. Oh, by 10 I had like the

Matt:

girls had their first babysitting job at the age of 13. So they just turned 14. And they did their first babysitting job with the neighbor's kids, like three months ago. Yeah,

Siobhan:

that's cute. And 13 is probably like a good age when I was 10. My cousin Laura was four months old. And I was babysitting her. And there's so I dropped the kid. No.

Matt:

Would you admit to it? If you did? Yes.

Siobhan:

Oh. She wasn't technically a kid.

Matt:

I thought you're gonna say wasn't technically a drop. And

Siobhan:

I wasn't technically babysitting. But Aaron Ford. Kelly and I have been friends since we're in kindergarten.

Matt:

You were the same age? No, it's

Siobhan:

your little sister.

Matt:

Couple years age difference. Yeah.

Siobhan:

And your letter earrings, I think? Four years. Sorry.

Matt:

Oh, no, that's Erin. I'm sorry. No, she's someone to blame. For all your shortcomings. We

Siobhan:

flip over real railing. My accent on whiskey one. Which I was I was like doing somersaults on my hand railing. And she wanted to do it. I was trying to help her. And like she had a huge egg on her head

Matt:

and lost a few brain cells.

Siobhan:

We've been friends forever. So her sister Kelly and I went to kindergarten together

Matt:

in the garden. Yeah, I haven't seen kindergarten. Yeah. That's interesting pronunciation.

Siobhan:

How would you pronounce the garden kindergarten?

Matt:

Oh, that sounds a little better. Kindergarten candy. You Cindy kindergarten de KinderCare

Siobhan:

KinderCare. You were young. Sorry. No. And we lived together in college. We've been friends. Oh, damn. Like we've been close friends. Yeah, I have a bunch of girls that I've known since kindergarten. And that we still keep in touch.

Matt:

I don't keep in touch with most people. What some people think is being a dick. I just don't, can't be bothered. I've had good friends.

Siobhan:

Well, the best part about them is if I don't reach out for six months, but I go home. I'm like, yo, I'm home and we'll go out for dinner. And it won't be like any time passed. But I don't have to like call them on the daily or weekly or see

Matt:

those people are ones I met from the age of 21 to 29. I only like one kid that I know from kindergarten that I kind of saw on a semi regular basis because he was a musician and he played a lot in downtown Augusta. Where I was bartending. And so it was funny seeing people from high school come into Sky City, they didn't come in a lot, but they'd come in the same groups that they hung out with in high school. Yeah, like some of them had married up or married up parent like married, you know, most of them most of them married laterally. Yeah. And so yeah, I didn't really stay in touch and I realized that it's my 20th high school anniversary. Anniversary. 24 And I'm like, What the fuck is my letter? Am I not?

Siobhan:

They don't find you might find me. My high school has sent me the first piece of mail every time I have moved. And I have never given them my address. I

Matt:

I think I don't think because the people that actually went to school that year have to do that. Like the student council president people. That shits gone that is no longer your responsibility. Who the fuck is going to do that these days? I

Siobhan:

don't know. I think it was just the nuns I went to school with have stalked me my entire life. Oh, God, like the first time I moved out of Boston God knows

Matt:

where your new addresses those bitches were not God. No, no, God told them

Siobhan:

Satan The first time I moved out of Boston, I moved to Arizona and I hadn't even forwarded my mail. Like with a post office, I was, and I got a fundraising letter for my high school

Matt:

have a tangential story. They weren't getting mail I didn't think I'd get. So my California license expired. And I had to get a new one. But I need to change the address. Okay. However, my dress is 1120 and a half. And to do it online,

Siobhan:

that oh, that doesn't

Matt:

does not accept half address. It doesn't accept a decimal point, or a backslash. Or

Unknown:

I don't I mean,

Matt:

I think I'm I tried writing out the words, it didn't work. So I would have had to get a physical copy and take it in.

Unknown:

I was like, fuck that.

Matt:

I'm just gonna get better. It's the same. So I filled it out, texted my old room and said, Hey, what's up? A couple days, you might get something from the DMV for me, can you let me know? Because it's my new address or my new license. And I explained briefly that why I got sent there. And I don't usually comes in three or four days, I heard nothing. I was about to text and I went got the mail. And there they were. They use my billing address that I paid for it with.

Siobhan:

I was gonna say it was your mail still forwarded from when you moved know,

Unknown:

a year ago? Oh, wow.

Matt:

But they use my billing address instead of the address on my actual driver's license. And they sent me to

Siobhan:

Oh, that's amazing. Wait, did they put your billing address on license? No, they just No, it still says address, but they mailed it to the right one. Yeah, I'm

Matt:

pretty sure to still. Yeah,

Siobhan:

I'm still alright. So here's my question. Why didn't you just not put in the half and ask your landlord to give it to you?

Matt:

Because that's annoying as shit. asking my landlord for my mail every day.

Siobhan:

No, no, just for your license? Like, because I don't know what

Matt:

what that? Were that information? I mean, that information goes from the DMV to somewhere. I think that's how the junk mail people get addresses. DMV sells it to them.

Siobhan:

Yeah, that's fucked up. DMV, don't do that.

Matt:

I throw away 80 90% of the mail I get

Siobhan:

oh, yeah, I sometimes don't check my mailbox for weeks. Because I wonder

Matt:

why. And one of my comments I'm gonna leave when I leave this place is that you need a better mailbox, then small open top box on the side under a tree. Because the junk mail keeps the lid up and it rains and I'm a male gets soaking wet.

Siobhan:

Because it rains so much here in California. Oh,

Matt:

and it's also under a tree. So even when it's done raining, who's picking out leaves? The rain just keeps falling off the tree. Because it's windy. Anyways, that's my rant for the Postal Service.

Siobhan:

Don't rant too much. They'll come be postal on you. Good. I can make that joke. My grandfather and three of my uncles were posted. I

Matt:

was actually to the other day as early as getting to work relatively early and the mailman was stopping on Grand do his rounds. Like be like to be a mailman and Alameda because where I'm from everything spread out you you're in your car, you're where you go, stop, go stop, you know, mailboxes, neighborhoods. But these you park and then you you physically walk up to every house and that's, you know, you meet people. Like that'd be kind of a cool job. Either

Siobhan:

you would be good at that job just to do

Matt:

for not at or just a couple weeks. Two

Siobhan:

of my uncles are boasting Michael and they are both mailman for most of my lives. And their stories. I love their stories. Did

Matt:

they? Did they develop conclusions of people based on the male they got? Yes. Okay.

Siobhan:

I would totally do the same thing. In some of them. Like one of my

Unknown:

daughters broke.

Siobhan:

And like, both of them worked in very different neighborhoods, which also led them to like a bunch more of like, understandings of places. Interesting. Yeah. And one of my uncle's he used to be for the he used to be the mailman with the New Kids on the Block, or at least one of them. Now just one of them. They all lived in different neighborhoods. But he I mean, we knew that family like six different ways because he was from Jamaica. So Joe McIntyre is from Jamaica Plain, which is part of Boston, like they're all from Boston, but different. I call them neighborhoods. X areas I don't like What

Matt:

is the right term? It's I don't know Parrish, it's, I think it's what do they call them? Bert Berg's

Siobhan:

their boroughs in New York, but they're never referred to like that in Boston neighbor. I always have called them neighborhoods like, but a different sections. It's all Boston. But you know, we all have different names. So Jamaica Plain was where my parents are from. And so my grandmother knew Joe McIntyre. Like we just Joe McIntyre, Joe McIntyre. Yes. Ah, not until after. Well, wow, that's a story for every

Matt:

letter. Celebrity. would you rate him? Would you say he was a

Siobhan:

de lis when? Because in the 90s, he was an elitist. But now I'd say she's read a dolphin. Yeah. Like, I I was not a new kids. I mean, I wasn't Not a fan. But I was more like,

Matt:

we did it. None of them really gained massive success, did they? Well, Donnie

Siobhan:

Wahlberg was still on. bloods he was on that? Yeah, as an actor, though. Yeah. And I think Mark Wahlberg kind of capitalize off of Donnie Wahlberg spam, and watch him. See, I thought was the reverse? No. So Donnie was famous first and then mark, but then I thought Mark became more famous. Well, yeah, definitely. Yeah, like Mark is an alias Marky Mark still. Yeah.

Matt:

And even an actor. Yeah. Like he's,

Siobhan:

I mean, he's an amazing actor.

Matt:

I mean, I gotta say, what's that? What Ben? Does I met him 2x Ray boys. I'm mean. They're more known than what the Funky Bunch like whatever the what? No, cc?

Siobhan:

Yeah. Like you mark in the funky part of a group that wasn't Marky Mark and the Funky. Oh, Johnny Wahlberg was in the new kids. I

Matt:

know. But I thought Marky Mark was also in like, oh,

Siobhan:

he played with c&c Music Factory. I think it's,

Matt:

that might be what I'm thinking of.

Siobhan:

Calvin Klein ads.

Matt:

Oh, we're talking about the celebrities you've met? Yeah. Oh, I've

Siobhan:

met a bunch. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, Boston's not

Matt:

a huge city. That should be a follow up episode.

Siobhan:

I'll tell you my Mark Wahlberg story.

Matt:

No, just wants to drink liquor. And then you can tell me who you've met. And then I'll just tell you, in my opinion.

Siobhan:

Do you even know? I worked at a well I work five

Matt:

minutes to Wikipedia them. And I'll make a judgement of them if I don't know

Siobhan:

that because it most of them are probably people that you wouldn't know. No, I mean, I've also met a lot of athletes, okay. Because one of the so I worked at a one of my first real cocktailing Jobs was right across the street from Fenway Park. Okay. And then I moved down the street to the Back Bay, or like right by the Hynes Convention Center and the Prudential Center in Boston. And that bar worked out for a lot of years. And the same owner had I worked for his high end restaurant and one of his dies, but he owned two dive bars around the corner from each other in a higher end restaurant and then for a short period who owned a third kind of medium bar down the street. So I worked for him forever. And he was like an old kind of Mafia guy. And so I met everyone there because his one of his bars was like, you could get in with a note from your mom. Like I started going there when I was 18. Their doorman just didn't give a shit.

Unknown:

Your mom? Well, I

Siobhan:

mean, you just had to have an ID that slightly looked like, oh, like one night when I went up to go when I known the guys that work there because I you know, part of the company but I had known them for a while because I'd been going there three nights a week because we're in college, you know. And I walked up one day, there's a different doorman at the door. And I hadn't even thought to look at the idea I used and he asked me what street I lived on. And I was like, um, I move a lot. He was just like, this is about you, you know, let you in? No, he didn't. He didn't let us in. So we walked down the street to another bar, had a cup of cocktails and then went back up. And like as we walked back up, there's a huge line. And the doorman that we knew were there and we're like, Hey, what's up? Where are you guys boom you later than you normally are. Like, we went to walk in and the kid was like, That girl doesn't even know her name. And the doorman was like, yeah. Do you see her? Do you see her friends? Do you know why you're not on the door? And then I never saw that kid again because he probably got fired.

Matt:

I will let someone I made the decision with their prison card and their birth certificate. They just got out of prison and they have no

Siobhan:

prison. I had a

Matt:

picture ID that had their name and their birth certificate with a name that matched. I was like Well shit, I guess I'll be you can come in and drink

Siobhan:

what year Was that though that you let them in?

Matt:

Would you do it to 2000? Probably, I think I think that counts.

Siobhan:

I think it would, too.

Matt:

I had to accept concealed carry permits. Oh, because it's a photo ID and as your birthday on it. That's, that's fucking scary.

Siobhan:

And it's a state

Matt:

issued. So. And the funny thing was, the best part was when cops would come in off duty, and they would come and we're checking IDs, don't give a shit how old you are, like, just it's it's a it's a machine. Just come show your ID me Give me. You show him your ID. You give me money, and then he'll stamp you. And then you go in. And he he just he came to show me the idea. It was his badge. And I was like, that's not an ID or your ID right. 21. But I was like, thank you not Yes. And then that also wondered if the people that show me their concealed carry permit? Like, are you trying to tell me that you may have a gun on you? Yes. I was never worried about that.

Siobhan:

When I first moved to Arizona, and I remember, it was like the first how to be the first month I was there. Sitting in a bar that like had been kind of our place. We'd been there a bunch. When we before we moved there. We went out to like, visit and see. And we met the bartender and it's just like, I love this lady. So we're sitting there and I look over and I can see this guy's bulge. And so I like casually get up and I walk over the guy that has been the door we'd met a bunch of times. And I'm like, hey, just so you know, I'm pretty sure that guy has a gun. And he looked at me he's like, yeah, a lot of people do. And we kind of just looked at me and he knew I was like new to Arizona. And I just looked at

Matt:

Arizona. Yeah, you should already had two three. But I like

Unknown:

border. No.

Siobhan:

I did almost buy one at Walmart. When Kelly who I was talking to earlier, when she came up to visit me the first time like we talked to him on the phone one night and he's like, pitch. You can go to Walmart here and get beer and watermelon and tampons and underwear and a gun and like pull floaty and she was like, what? A kid. This is insane. Like, I've never seen anything like that

Matt:

history is a field day with this era of people. Yeah.

Siobhan:

So when she came to me, the first time she came to visit me she's like, going to Walmart or buying all of Did you we bought most of it, but not all of it. You know? I have only shot a gun once and until I know something I don't want it in my house. So I'm like I'm scared. I'm gonna take a gun safety course at the end of the month, or at the end of the summer. I have a bunch of guys that have offered to bring me out.

Matt:

Horse you want to show off their guns? Yeah.

Siobhan:

They're all have significantly

Matt:

shot their guns. The real gun early. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Siobhan:

Some of the guys get so into it. And I'm like, I don't understand what. But the first gun I ever fired was an AR 15 in someone's backyard, and upstate New York

Matt:

has given a shot down when I was 1220. Age and well, you lived in yourself job hunting trip. Like just make sure it's pointed up. And I did. I don't think I shot me Dubs. They trusted me. I did take a gun safety course. for that. Yeah.

Siobhan:

Because you were rural South right?

Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Pretty well, when

Siobhan:

you said it was a half hour to church I just my brain it

Matt:

just because it's spread out. This because

Siobhan:

may rain you were like in a little country? Because

Matt:

the church was out in the country.

Siobhan:

That would make sense. Yeah. But see, that's perception and assumptions. What has

Matt:

I gotta get to? Oh, you

Siobhan:

have open mic, right?

Matt:

I do. I gotta Well, I have to give some people some stuff. And well, oh, he marked just

Unknown:

text. Okay. All

Siobhan:

right, y'all. Well, oh, no, that's all right. See, we're just having such a good time. We forgot We've been recording.

Matt:

Yeah, didn't end the pleasantries. Right. And acknowledge that. acknowledge that there is an other. Yeah, not us. Yeah.

Siobhan:

I mean, part of this is like, I want it to sound like you walked into a conversation at the bar and just happened to enjoy it.

Matt:

Well, if that was the case, and you'd get many Irish goodbyes for me. Yes, you do. That. Oh, sorry. By the way, for anybody who can't see Matt's gone next time.

Siobhan:

All right. Yeah. Yeah. I turned around in MATLAB. So look for the Webster street tapes. You can find it on the IGs and everything. See, it's not

Matt:

up yet. I did. I did. Take the I do have the picture I'm going to use for the first logo. Nice thing to do a little bit of work. Yeah.

Siobhan:

So there'll be music coming. There'll be content coming. Eventually we'll get all our shit together. Meet Matt and Ana again together the three of us together at some point. So thank you Matt, for joining us and hang out have fun.

Matt:

Tonight. I'm gonna annoy some people with my goose LA.

Siobhan:

I'm gonna go check out Open Mic and enjoy some more joy in my day and I hope you all find some joy and thanks for joining us

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